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Jacinta Marto on 13 July and 13 October 1917

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As told by Beatriz Gorjão (letter copied verbatim by Anita)
English

“The little girl then speaks of the end of the war and of the end of the world if there were no faith (don't be alarmed, there is still plenty). It is these two points that I find doubtful: would Our Lady really have spoken of the end of the war and of the world, or have the children been confused by all the questions they have been asked? — Our Lady told them a secret. The mothers, poor things, ignorant as they are, have done everything possible to find it out. According to what people say, the administrator* has already promised 20,000 réis* if they told it to him, but there is no way of wresting the secret from them. I heard the little boy say that not even if they were given the whole world would they tell it. When they are asked whether it is bad, they say it is good for everyone. — On the last day Our Lady also said that she was the Virgin of the Rosary, and that she wanted the people to build her a chapel there — But this is far from being the most important part; imagine our feelings when the little one, carrying on talking, tells us that on the last day (13 October) St. Joseph and the Child Jesus appeared to her!! So it was the Holy Family. Our first reaction was doubt and alarm: was the whole thing about to collapse?! But some neighbours who were there told us that the 3 children had already spoken of St. Joseph and the Child Jesus several times. — The little one then explained that St. Joseph had come to give peace to the world, and with her hand she made the sign of the cross many times, imitating the gesture of Bishops when they walk along blessing the faithful. She told us that the Child Jesus and St. Joseph were just like some little holy images she had at home.

Português

A pequena falla depois do fim da guerra e do fim do mundo caso não houvesse fé (não te assustes ainda ha muita). São estes dois pontos que eu acho duvidoso[s]; fallaria realmente N. Senhora no fim da guerra e do mundo, ou estariam as creanças confundidas com tantas perguntas que lhes têem feito? — N. Senhora disse-lhes um segredo. As mães, coitadas como ignorantes que são, têem feito todo o possivel para o saber. Segundo dizem, o administrador já prometteu 20.000rs se lh'o dissessem, mas não ha meio de lhes arrancar o segredo. Ao pequeno ouvi dizer que nem que lhe dessem o mundo inteiro o diriam. Quando lhes perguntam se é mau, dizem que é bom para todos. — N. Senhora no ultimo dia disse mais ser a Virgem do Rosario, e querendo o povo lhe eregisse alli uma capella — Mas isto está bem longe de ser a parte mais importante; calcula a nossa imperssão quando a pequenita continuando a conversar nos diz que no ultimo dia (13 Outubro) lhe appareceu S. José e o Menino Jesus!! Tratava-se portanto da Sagrada Familia. A nossa primeira impressão foi de duvida e de susto, iria cahir tudo pela base?! Mas umas vizinhas que alli estavam, disseram-nos que as 3 creanças já por vezes tinham fallado em S. José e no Menino Jesus. — A pequenita então explicou que S. José tinha vindo dar a paz ao mundo, e com a mão repetiu muitas vezes o signal da cruz, imitando o gesto dos Bispos quando vão andando e abençoando os fieis. Disse-nos que o Menino Jesus e S. José eram eguaes a uns santinhos que tinha em casa.

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the little one says she had some pictures at home, but she didn't even look at them: she went to a box and took out a Holy Family group, saying: “see?” St. Joseph and the Child Jesus were as they are here: but here St. Joseph has his eyes closed, and there they were with their eyes open. — Wanting to see whether she would get muddled, we told her that since St. Joseph and the Child were as they are there, Our Lady on the last day must also have been like that one, with a veil and a coloured mantle; we asked this several times, and she always answered that Our Lady was not like that one, but in white and with the rosary. We further said that, being the Holy Family, they must all have been together, to which she always answered no. Our Lady was on the holm oak, and St. Joseph and the Child Jesus near the Sun. — We made the same experiment with the little boy, who always answered like his sister. — It is therefore beyond doubt that the 6 apparitions of Our Lady can be confirmed without confirming that of the Holy Family. The eldest little girl, before leaving for Ourém, also spoke to us of St. Joseph and the Child Jesus.

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a pequenita diz que tinha em casa uns quadros, mas nem para elles olhou: foi a uma caixa e tirou um grupo da Sagrada familia dizendo: “vêem?” S. José e o Menino Jesus estavam como estão aqui: mas aqui S. José está com os olhos fechados, e lá estávam com os olhos abertos. — Querendo nós ver se ella se atrapalhava, dissemos-lhe que uma vez que o S. José e o Menino estavam como alli estão, N. Senhora no ultimo dia tambem devia estar como aquella de veu e manto de côres; perguntamos isto varias vezes, respondendo ella sempre que N. Senhora não estava como aquella, mas sim de branco e com o terço. Dissemos mais que sendo a Sagrada familia devia estar toda junta, ao que ella respondia sempre que não. N. Senhora estava na azinheira, e S. José e o Menino Jesus, perto do Sol. — A mesma esperiencia fizemos com o pequeno respondendo sempre como a irmã. — É portanto fóra de duvida que se póde confirmar as 6 apparições de N. Senhora, sem se confirmar a da S. Familia. A pequena mais velha antes de partir para Ourem tambem nos fallou de S. José e do Menino Jesus.

DCF III-1, Doc. 197 · letter · Oct 1917 (3 months later)Scans (4)
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